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Ed Dowding ⧖'s avatar

Enjoyed this Carl. Bit of a personal angle though - you might recall this is more or less what I was doing with Represent.me from 2014-18. We got to about a million votes across 61 countries, 86.7% participation, and ran the Undivided campaign with it. Same year as vTaiwan, funnily enough.

The listening bit clearly works now, Bowling Green and Camden prove that. But I notice every example here is paid for by a council, a think tank or a Google incubator — and that's the part I'd push on. Whoever funds it holds the off-switch. Budgets get cut, Google kills products it's bored of, and a funder is least likely to keep paying at the exact moment the consensus turns awkward for them. So how much power are people really getting if the whole thing runs on the goodwill of the institutions they might need to push back against?

That's the problem we never cracked at Represent, and it's part of why we ran out of road. Genuinely curious whether anyone's solved the funding/ownership side, or whether it's still the elephant.

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The safety/profit tension you're naming is real, but it might be narrower than it appears—the deeper issue is architectural dependency itself. When a single entity controls both the trust layer and the monetization layer, even well-intentioned leaders eventually face shareholder pressure to extract value from the relationship data they're custodian of. What if Grindr's users could own their social graph and run privacy checks peer-to-peer, the way Bitcoin nodes validate transactions without trusting a bank?

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